Should I shut down this list?
David Cooke
dave at david-cooke.me.uk
Thu Sep 28 15:00:47 BST 2023
Can we change the subject back to the original more meaningful one please?
There, I've done it for you :-)
Cheers
Cookie
On 28/09/2023 14:56, Graham Mullan wrote:
>
> Blitz
>
> I very much doubt that FB would be suitable, quite apart from being
> unpalatable to some. I’m not on it, but I understand that it is
> structured more by their algorithms than by the form of the discussion
> that you wish to have.
>
> Graham
>
> *From:*Chris Smart <chris_smart at talktalk.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2023 2:43 PM
> *To:* Graham Mullan <graham.mullan at coly.org.uk>
> *Cc:* cave-surveying at survex.com
> *Subject:* RE: Cave-Surveying Digest, Vol 49, Issue 1
>
> A thought - but maybe an unpalatable one. A private FB group might be
> the/an answer. The admin would be minimal and the postings would be
> searchable.
>
> Blitz
>
> On 28 Sept 2023 14:12, Graham Mullan <graham.mullan at coly.org.uk> wrote:
>
> How many subscribers are there? Is it likely that new subscribers
> can be found?
>
> Jeskynar asked what alternative places people use to talk about
> surveying and I think this is a key question. Email lists of this
> type are fairly poorly structured for ongoing discussions and
> archival searches and better alternatives are available. The
> problem is that any of the alternatives require the use of some
> proprietary software or 'walled garden' private services and I
> know that many of you have problems with that. I suspect that if
> that objection can be overcome then something like Discord might
> fulfil the brief rather better.
>
> Graham
>
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> 1. Should I shut down this list? (Olly Betts)
> 2. Re: Should I shut down this list? (Andrew Atkinson)
> 3. Re: Should I shut down this list? (Jeskynar)
> 4. Re: Should I shut down this list? (Mike Lake)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 00:09:45 +0100
> From: Olly Betts <olly at survex.com>
> To: cave-surveying at survex.com
> Subject: Should I shut down this list?
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> It seems this list is no longer being actively used - the archives
> show only one message in the last two years, but it's been in
> decline for much longer:
>
> * 2021 saw 2 threads (but one really belonged on the survex list)
>
> * 2020 saw 5 threads (but two really belonged on the survex list)
>
> * 2019 saw 4 threads (but one really belonged on the therion list)
>
> * 2018 saw 1 message
>
> * 2017 and 2016 saw no messages
>
> So really very little use for a long time (and ~30% of the use it
> sees would have been better sent to a more specific list instead).
>
> There's a small but non-zero admin effort to keeping the list
> running - messages from non-subscribers and subscription requests
> are held for checking and I have to periodically look over them
> and delete the vast majority as spam. There seems to have been a
> significant uptick in subscription requests in the last month most
> of which look bogus, and this is making me wonder why I'm spending
> time on this.
>
> So is it really worth me keeping this list active?
>
> I know Wookey has mentioned wanting to use it more and has tried
> to encourage more people to subscribe, but that hasn't actually
> translated into people actually using it so seems to have been a
> failed idea.
>
> Cheers,
> Olly
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 08:09:42 +0200
> From: Andrew Atkinson <andrew at wotcc.org.uk>
> To: cave-surveying at survex.com
> Subject: Re: Should I shut down this list?
> Message-ID: <C7E17D3E-5215-4988-A0E6-10627DEDE37E at wotcc.org.uk>
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> I tend to use the list to announce cave surveying group meetings
> and publish minutes. Both of which have not happened for the last
> few years due to there being no Hidden Earth.
>
> It would be a shame not to have it, but it doesn't really look
> like there is much justification for keeping it
>
> Andrew
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 08:20:03 +0100
> From: Jeskynar <jeskynar at gmail.com>
> To: cave-surveying at survex.com
> Subject: Re: Should I shut down this list?
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> What's the alternative place where people talk about cave surveying?
>
> On Thu, 28 Sept 2023 at 00:10, Olly Betts <olly at survex.com> wrote:
>
> > It seems this list is no longer being actively used - the archives
> > show only one message in the last two years, but it's been in
> decline
> > for much longer:
> >
> > * 2021 saw 2 threads (but one really belonged on the survex list)
> >
> > * 2020 saw 5 threads (but two really belonged on the survex list)
> >
> > * 2019 saw 4 threads (but one really belonged on the therion list)
> >
> > * 2018 saw 1 message
> >
> > * 2017 and 2016 saw no messages
> >
> > So really very little use for a long time (and ~30% of the use
> it sees
> > would have been better sent to a more specific list instead).
> >
> > There's a small but non-zero admin effort to keeping the list
> running
> > - messages from non-subscribers and subscription requests are
> held for
> > checking and I have to periodically look over them and delete
> the vast
> > majority as spam. There seems to have been a significant uptick in
> > subscription requests in the last month most of which look
> bogus, and
> > this is making me wonder why I'm spending time on this.
> >
> > So is it really worth me keeping this list active?
> >
> > I know Wookey has mentioned wanting to use it more and has tried to
> > encourage more people to subscribe, but that hasn't actually
> > translated into people actually using it so seems to have been a
> > failed idea.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Olly
> >
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> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 20:25:55 +1000
> From: Mike Lake <mikel at speleonics.com.au>
> To: cave-surveying at survex.com
> Subject: Re: Should I shut down this list?
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> Hi Olly
>
> I read the list and yes, I have not seen much on it at all.
> I can understand your wish to not maintain it. It does take time.
> I gather the alternative would a 3rd party hosted, web based one.
> A shame as I prefer plain email, but I do understand that the
> email volume here does not justify the work involved.
> A shame but I won't winge if you shut it down.
>
> Best wishes
> Mike
>
> On 2023-09-28 9:09 am, Olly Betts wrote:
> > It seems this list is no longer being actively used - the archives
> > show only one message in the last two years, but it's been in
> decline
> > for much longer:
> >
> > * 2021 saw 2 threads (but one really belonged on the survex list)
> >
> > * 2020 saw 5 threads (but two really belonged on the survex list)
> >
> > * 2019 saw 4 threads (but one really belonged on the therion list)
> >
> > * 2018 saw 1 message
> >
> > * 2017 and 2016 saw no messages
> >
> > So really very little use for a long time (and ~30% of the use
> it sees
> > would have been better sent to a more specific list instead).
> >
> > There's a small but non-zero admin effort to keeping the list
> running
> > - messages from non-subscribers and subscription requests are
> held for
> > checking and I have to periodically look over them and delete
> the vast
> > majority as spam. There seems to have been a significant uptick in
> > subscription requests in the last month most of which look
> bogus, and
> > this is making me wonder why I'm spending time on this.
> >
> > So is it really worth me keeping this list active?
> >
> > I know Wookey has mentioned wanting to use it more and has tried to
> > encourage more people to subscribe, but that hasn't actually
> > translated into people actually using it so seems to have been a
> > failed idea.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Olly
>
> --
> Mike
>
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